Transcript: Jerry Sandusky's interview with Bob Costas
Below is the transcript from Bob Costas' interview with Jerry Sandusky on NBC's "Rock Center."
BOB COSTAS: Mr. Sandusky, there's a 40-count indictment. The grand jury report contains specific detail. There are multiple accusers, multiple eyewitnesses to various aspects of the abuse. A reasonable person says where there's this much smoke, there must be plenty of fire. What do you say?
JERRY SANDUSKY: I say that I am innocent of those charges.
COSTAS: Innocent? Completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect?
SANDUSKY: Well I could say that, you know, I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their leg. Without intent of sexual contact. But - so if you look at it that way - there are things that wouldn't - you know, would be accurate.
COSTAS: Are you denying that you had any inappropriate sexual contact with any of these underage boys?
SANDUSKY: Yes, I-- yes I am.
COSTAS: Never touched their genitals? Never engaged in oral sex?
COSTAS: What about Mike McQueary, the grad assistant who in 2002 walked into the shower where he says in specific detail that you were forcibly raping a boy who appeared to be ten or 11 years old? That his hands were up against the shower wall and he heard rhythmic slap, slap, slapping sounds and he described that as a rape?
SANDUSKY: I would say that that's false.
COSTAS: What would be his motive to lie?
SANDUSKY: You'd have to ask him that.
COSTAS: What did happen in the shower the night that Mike McQueary happened upon you and the young boy?
SANDUSKY: Okay, we-- we were showing and-- and horsing around. And he actually turned all the showers on and was-- actually sliding-- across the-- the floor. And we were-- as I recall possibly like snapping a towel, horseplay.
COSTAS: In 1998, a mother confronts you about taking a shower with her son and inappropriately touching him. Two detectives eavesdrop on a conversation with you, and you admit that maybe your private parts touched her son. What happened there?
SANDUSKY: I can't exactly recall what was said there. In terms of-- what I did say was that if he felt that way, then I was wrong,
COSTAS: During one of those conversations, you said, "I understand, I was wrong, I wish I could get forgiveness," speaking now with the mother. "I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead." A guy falsely accused or a guy whose actions have been misinterpreted doesn't respond that way, does he?
SANDUSKY: I don't know. I didn't say, to my recollection that I wish I were dead. I was hopeful that we could reconcile things.
COSTAS: Shortly after that in 2000, a janitor said that he saw you performing oral sex on a young boy in the showers-- in the Penn State locker facility. Did that happen?
COSTAS: How could somebody think they saw something as extreme and shocking as that when it hadn't occurred, and what would possibly be their motivation to fabricate it?
SANDUSKY: You'd have to ask them.
COSTAS: It seems that if all of these accusations are false, you are the unluckiest and most persecuted man that any of us has ever heard about.
SANDUSKY: (LAUGHS) I don't know what you want me to say. I don't think that these have been the best days of my life.